Bending Problem -3'

Well now, @martorgan, that is really interesting:

I would say that this is pretty good evidence supporting the idea that the reed shape is not optimal. Definitely begin your learning (about how to shape reeds for better and easier bends) on that old harp. If you fail, it will at least have taught you about the limits of what you can do before the reeds are ruined! On the other hand, you might learn quickly and actually give the old harp a second life!! :partying_face:

There are various YouTube videos out there that show some of the things that you should consider doing to get the reed flattened and gapped in the proper way to make bending easier.

I have “saved” several harps that I otherwise would have thrown out or spent $$'s buying new reed plates for them – and that is for brand new harps that cost over $50. Yes, unfortunately not all harps are correctly set up when you buy them – but that is because they are mass-produced. If the factory spent the time necessary to deliver a perfect harp every time then they would probably cost around $90 and up.

Regards,
– Slim :sunglasses:

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Yes i agree Slim. I appreciate your help very much.
I think i’d be lost without this help. cheers !

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Been there, done that, and still on the road. Just when it seems I can’t bend at all, a nice clean bent note comes wailing out of my harp.

Getting it to happen consistently when I want it to is the challenge :wink:

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Hey HHMc… I just want to give you some encouragement here.
For months and months trying to bend at all, I was ready to give up. I then realized if i dont know what the sound is in my head I’ll never get it., Like when you first started playing your first tune. Maybe it was a nurserie rhyme . You had the sound in your head of the next note you were going to play. Right ? So I found a tune witch had some bent notes in it. Then whilst playing the tune and coming to the bent note, my brain or whatever made me ‘feel’ the sound. Thus , while having the sound in my head and moving my tongue as well as breathing from lower down in my diaphragm I was able to get the note bent. All I had to do then was to improve on the quality of it.
Basically, what I’m saying is Find a tune in second position and practice it. It WILL work

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Hi! Smoke on water! It has -3’ and -4’, it so well known that you already know when you’re not in tune :slight_smile:

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This is great advice!

The song I typically do is Lean On Me.

Great suggestion @p.alfarano for Smoke on the Water :sweat_drops: :notes: :+1:

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Hello @martorgan,
You are not alone :joy:!
What works today may not work tomorrow. :grin:
This little instrument has more power over us than we sometimes realize.
Because of this, listeners think that playing the harp is easy. You don’t see how much our tongue and larynx have to do and many other things on the building blocks.
Greetings from Astrid :woman_in_lotus_position:

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Hello Astrid, Many thanks for these comments . I totally agree about how much work/effort goes into playing the ‘correct’ note, and sound.
I also think we (we never stop learning and improving) do not concentrate enough on the notes that we take for granted. Like, a 4 blow on a C harp will give us a ‘c’, But check it out on a harp tuner and see if it’s a nice clean and perfect’ C’. because like you mention, A lot has to do with the articulation done in the mouth and larynx .
Nice chatting Astrid, Happy harping. Mart’

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Hello @martorgan,
I find what you write very interesting. For me it’s the other way around.
Two different harp tuner apps, each tablet or smartphone, show me correctly. But after recording it doesn’t sound right. But for me it depends very much on the form of the day.
Yesterday I opened my practice harp, what you can find there, despite regular cleaning… :grin: Thanks to my illuminated magnifying lamp, I was finally able to see that two reeds were slightly twisted. Yesterday I aligned all the reeds (the long columns). In the next few days I will look at the distances again because I don’t like it yet. But that is usually not completely correct with all reeds anyway. This also requires patience and time.
Greetings from Astrid :woman_in_lotus_position: and many thanks for the interesting exchange.

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Hi Astrid @AstridHandbikebee63

Very glad to read that you picked up an illuminated magnifying lamp (or glass, as Americans call it)! Now you can join me and become a real reed freak!!

Ciao
– Slim :face_with_monocle:

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Oh yes, @Slim, I am a Reed Freak :rofl:

I even have tooth wax :slightly_smiling_face:. You had shown a photo of your work with the wax here and actually I had marked it. Unfortunately I can’t find it anymore. I’m sure I did it right with my harp, because it’s playable. But please show me again for comparison.

It’s so thrilling and exciting.
I had never completely disassembled the harp. This time also the reed plates removed. I was surprised at how the wooden comb the Hohner owned looks after 8 months (open Side).
What if you never do that? :pleading_face:Incredible! Apart from water, I don’t drink while playing.
Greetings from Astrid :woman_in_lotus_position:

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Hi Reed Freak @AstridHandbikebee63 !!

Das Foto ist hier. Was nicht gezeigt wurde ist wie die ***Blow-***Stimmzungen, die ich auch mit Wachs behandelt habe, aussehen. Um zu verhindern, dass das Wachs an den Luftkanälenwänden des Kamms klebt (was ein erneutes Auseinanderbauen erschweren wurde), habe ich die “Wachstropfen” seitlich mit einer Razierklinge enger/schmäler abgeschnitten (habe ich das richtig ausgedruckt??). Falls das nicht verständlich ist, kann ich Dir ein Foto davon zusenden.

Ja, es ist eine sehr gute Gewohnheit beim Spielen nur Wasser zu trinken! Super.

Ciao
– Slim :sunglasses:

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Very good, @Slim! I did the same. Just a scalpel instead of a razor blade. I can also hold fingers securely in my hand.
I’m really looking forward to learning something again. Many thanks for the fast service!
Have a nice day, Astrid :woman_in_lotus_position:

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@Slim, here I am again. I have finally adjusted or tuned the reeds.
In the meantime, test with a wax dot on one of the lids whether the wax can also withstand the ultrasonic cleaner. Worked great, reed plates were now in there and can now dry.
My wax dots aren’t as pretty as yours, but no leftovers elsewhere.
That was my first and step by step follow the others. Glad I don’t have fifty harps. :grin:

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Nice work, Astrid @AstridHandbikebee63 ! Let us know how it plays: Do you find it is sounding much different than before? How are the bends sounding now? Etc.

Regards,
– Slim :sunglasses:

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@Slim, what should I tell you, I’m newly in love with my previously tormented sweetheart, my first harp.
A little while ago I screwed them back together after they had dried and of course tested them right away. It now plays “smooth as butter” without any effort.
Even if I was completely ignorant at the beginning of my harp studies, new after the recording, it was significantly worse.
The only thing I can hardly do anything about are the reeds +8 - +10. They play themselves, but without will. When I pluck them, they barely have any tension and they look a bit twisted and wavy in length. Since they’re naturally short, I can’t really get it off. But at least the overblows work there… :grin: and they’re still playing, albeit not that easy.
Conclusion: The effort and time is definitely worth it at minimal cost. However, you should find out exactly what to do and how beforehand.
The beauty, of wax removed from the reed plates can be reused.
:blush:happy Astrid :woman_in_lotus_position:

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Just confirming that the Hohner Deluxe and the Crossover are the SAME KEY?

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Yes Luke they are Both ‘C’ Thanks for asking.

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This might help with bending.

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-2-2-3*+4, -4-4+4-4-5
Try that out it’s the first line from Work Song

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Paul Butterfield:

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