Really having a hard time pegging this tab for the sax solo on ‘Never tear us apart’ by INXS.
I think it’s a Bb harp…The songs in Am, which is normally a C harp, but saxophone is non transposing. Not even sure where to start tabbing with a root note, etc.
Please help - @Luke if you don’t mind chiming in here also, I would really appreciate it. No tabs I could find on harp tabs.com either.
All saxophones are transposing either Bb or Eb which is irrelevant unless you are using sheet music. The only concert pitch (none transposing) C melody sax hasn’t been made since the 1930’s. Find the notes by ear to tab, which you won’t need if you learn it by ear. To know what notes the sax is playing you would first have to find the “concert pitch” (note on the piano) then transpose it according to whether it is an Eb (Alto/Baritone) or Bb (Tener /soprano) then back to concert pitch which is where you started. Waste of time and utterly useless. Learn it by ear then tab it if you wish, but like I said, by then you don’t need the tab. I know songs I learned (by ear) 60 years ago. The process of finding the notes by ear trains the muscles and the mind for playing by ear, it will soon became second nature to you. Takes a while but if you keep doing it it will become your new way of playing. Gets easier with time and repetition.
This is the absolute best advice, @GmanG !! I understand the desire to quickly start playing a song, a solo or whatever – but quick solutions are not really solutions that last. The real solution – that not only endures but also assists one in the future – is to invest the time and effort as you explain.
Hopefully others will read this before asking for forum members to supply them with harp tabs.
Your advice is technical and helpful to those with an understanding of music theory. Intermediate and beginner players can learn to play by ear but having to guess which harmonica to use that requires the least advanced techniques is something that needs to be learned so a bit of beginner friendly advice on which harp to choose and start trying to play by ear would be the kind thing to supply.
I agree completely @Dk360 , but there seem to be quite a few posts from people who are asking for tabs without supplying any information about what they have been trying (which harps, for example).
I did not mean to specifically attack you, and anyone reading this forum regularly knows that you are a dedicated harpist and not a “free loader” hoping for a quick path to the expert level. This thread seemed to offer a place to indicate to some people that playing the harmonica is:
Not easy,
That writing tabs is time consuming, and
That making the effort to do more on their own will bring more success in the long term.
All things that @GmanG noted. His post also helps such “other” persons to perhaps better see that some music theory knowledge is much better than no music theory knowledge – although my expectations here might be a bit optimistic
Thank you for clarifying - I wasn’t sure which direction you were going in with your post. I really enjoy harmonica, and can’t seem to get enough of it!
Actually the point of my post was to save a lot of time and effort worrying about what the sax notes are. Determine the key (by whatever means you choose. There are several good apps out there that will do that for you) then proceed on that basis . The posted chart is one excellent way. However, I would choose (if it’s a minor key) to get a minor tuned harp. I LOVE the Lee Oskar Natural minors. Labeled in 2nd position key. I believe there are other companies that produce natural minor tuned harps also. I’m not a fan of 3rd position playing because for me, it’s limiting, but that’s just me. With my Lee O….s I can play just like I do on all my other harps. No thought required. Good luck with your harping. All that counts is persistence! (I’m a sax player by the way, so I like to keep t as simple as possible with harps, i.e. playing a natural minor rather than 3rd position) [3rd position makes my brain hurt]
The theory part (transposition) was to try to eliminate over complicating things. If you use your ear, very little, if any “theory” is needed. To my mind, most of theory is terminology. Other than determining keys, and learning what set of fingerings (scales) to plug in, I never have needed theory while performing.
Tabs can be useful for future ‘triggering” a tune. I always kept charts on my music stand, but after the first two or three notes really didn’t use it again except for tracking the tune, or following the vocalist if they wonder. Always had the lyrics. Most of my charts only had the lyrics and the key, and/or a few phrases under the lyrics that were tricky.
@GmanG Thanks for pointing out some obvious things to me.
I think this sax solo can be played on a C harp…but I never can seem to get it right. Definitely right key…but I can’t seem to get the notes I need. That is why I was asking about Bb harps…..That maybe this would work, or maybe I am just wasting time an need to just try this tune on my Chromatic- at least I KNOW the notes are on that!
Definitely the easiest way to play this song would be on what Lee Oskar calls an A Natural Minor harmonica (and Hohner confusingly calls a D Natural Minor.)
Here’s the tabs for it.
-4’ -4
-4’ -4 -4’ 4 -3 3 -2” -2
-5’ -5 -4 4 -4’ -4
4 -3 4 -4 5 -5
You could also play this on a regular D harmonica, it’s just the -3’s would have to be -3’ which is challenging, an not a hue part of the solo, but the last 5 would have to be a 4 over-blow.
I wouldn’t approach this on a C harmonica as the notes just don’t lay out to wail the way the sax player is wailing.