Cold Instruments - internal deterioration through condensation - and Maintenance

Many of us here in the UK are having to pay record amounts for space heating - thanks to Putin - so are running our homes cooler than ever before. Many Old-Age Pensioners can’t afford to do both: eat or heat. And many citizens of all ages are heating low and piling high - on insulation - Clothing!

So my practice room has been noticeably cooler when I practice the Sax - with the concomitant increase of condensation in the Sax - and with noticeable saturation of the leather pads.

When I was searching for my lost cards wallet (don’t ask!) I came across my old heating pad that was used for a bad back!

In the UK we’ve always had hot-water bottles to take to bed on cold winter nights - so Slumberland made an electrical equivalent of the hot-water bottle (it was a flat rubber ‘bottle’ filled with water as hot as it would take - and slipped inside a cover - and would last at least until the occupant was asleep!). Sometimes accidents caused severe hot-water burns. At least with the electrical version you would only burn your house down (!) if left unattended.

Are you still reading me?

Well I have been using it to warm my sax (only lightly) in my practice room - and to my amazement it starts off in tune - and really reduces condensation. Very effectively - no puddle at all on the floor!

At this point the intelligent anticipating reader is already ahead of me!

Yes! What do you think happens when you play a cold harmonica? And where does all that condensation go… And stay? Yes inside. I reckon it does more damage to the harmonica internals - than a Sax’s pads.

A (slightly) warmed harmonica doesn’t suffer nearly as much condensation - so nor would I imagine, not so much internal damage from condensation either. I’ve warmed the ones I am playing for a few minutes on the (low-wattage) heat pad - up to about 18°C for red wine! (OK if you’re across the pond that’s about 60°F. Why don’t you use the sensible range of 100 being boiling and Zero being freezing over there? It’s barmy!)

And a (relatively) warm Sax is more pleasant - with no finger slippage! - to practice on.

So my therapeutic heat pad is preserving me - my Sax … And my reeds. OK my case of harmonicas

I know … You’re thinking that heat (maybe in Summer) may do just as much damage.- or more! And you’d not be wrong!

My fiddle (and amazing US Collings mandolin) are very sensitive to heat - so each case is equipped with a Thermo-King sensor that sends out a minute-by-minute temp signal inside the case. It’s proved very useful if you are stuck in a traffic jam with the sun beating down. It sends a Bluetooth warning to your phone app so you can prevent it overheating. It also records the temperature range over weeks.

So you’ve probably got your own solutions - but in these high cost-of-living times we can slow the internal damage to our chromatic harmonicas - with their sensitive valves - and blues harps too - as long as we consider the consequences.

The only oxidation (rust) I have on my harps is the ‘tin’ Hohner Blues Harps. EastTop’s seem to be made of stainless steel covers - and my Hering is in mint condition. My Hohner XB-40 is in amazing new condition without any decay (mainly because it’s not played much!) - and my Suzuki MR 350s are Blingy Blingy shiny!

But but but!

I don’t know - nor do you! - what’s happening inside.

But I know in these cooler climes we maybe aren’t considering the actions we can take to minimise internal - invisible - damage.

But maybe you are? Tell me what else we should be doing please?

2 Likes

Always warm your harp up before playing. My gig bag is in my living room it’s a Hohner bag so high quality foam it also retains the heat I only have to open and close it for an hour it retains the heat. Quite well. Another old trick just hold it in you hand for a good 15 minutes blow gently it’s warmed up.

2 Likes

CharlieCharlie
I can’t blame Putin. I live in California and we have our own corrupt despots – Pacific Gas & Electric (a monopoly in Northern California) and San Diego Power (southern California) whose rates are over 50% higher than the national average. So we old people (mid 70’s) have been keeping the power off and wearing fleece lined pants and jackets in the house. Harmonicas? In foam slots in my harp case. But if playing, I take them out and put them between the electric mattress pad and the blanket for 15 minutes before going to play. Then they’re fine. It’s an ugly reality.

Hello BnT - greetings from London!

I’m sorry to hear of PG&E ripping you off -: in the US? That’s criminal. The US has so many oil reserves - especially fracking reserves -that the US could so easily displace Thug-Putin’s hydrocarbon commerce but don’t! India is too busy buying up his spare oil too. However ALL our energy is expensive - so we all wear insulating clothes looking like the Michelin man!

In my original post I mentioned the heat pad for my Sax - so I have now solved the problem of the heat pad warming the sax - but not being available for the harmonicas!

I have found a very cheap solution (possibly with dodgy electrics!) for the harps.

Over here on eBay you can get an electric hot-water bottle for £8.99 ($11.17 at Jan/25 exchange rate) - just 200mm x 300mm in size (OK for you dinosaurs over there - about 8"x 10" - it’s much more accurate to work in base 10 don’t you know - metric!)

It’s quite small with a ‘ruff’ on one side.

You fill it about ½ full with water - exclude the air (important!) and plug it in. Within a few minutes (5 mins is too much!) and you have a sort of ‘ruff oven’ to prepare your harmonicas for playing and which stays surprisingly warm because of the insulative man-made fabric it’s made from.

The lower water bottle is covered in fabric which forms a fold with the ‘ruff’ above - so enabling you to just slip your instruments in for the period you think fit. So it’d be quite difficult to cook 'em!

You would only leave it unattended if you didn’t mind your house burning down. And it has the EU mark to be able to sell it in Europe - so you probably can’t claim a refund if you lose the house!

It’s rated at 500watts - so my kWh rate is 31.09p per kilowatt. So for the 5 mins it’s on that’s 15.545 pence per hour - divided by 12 (because there are 12 periods of 5 mins in an hour!) so 1.295p (we’re talking GB pounds here!) to heat up the harmonicas! (And that’s assuming the thermostat doesn’t cut out during the 5 mins!) (That’s 1.295 x 1.2423 (!) for the dollar rate! - or rather Cents which works out at 1.609 cents!)

So there you are! A heat pad for $11.17 - with running costs for a year at $5.87! (1.609x365!) Assuming you practice ever day - which is of course what you do!

So BnT! - PG&E will have to find more imaginative ways of fleecing you on these micro economics.

I’m certain someone on here will bring it to my attention if there’s a problem with my maths!

So go on! Your harmonicas wont be tempted to escape - in their snug little abodes! And they deserve (need!) such mollycoddling!

Best wishes from over here!

Charlie

And who said harp players were bad at math. As to energy, the fact that PG&E, a monopoly, is 55-72% more costly than the national average means it’s not about availability or cost of energy. It’s greed… sanctioned by a government agency that’s in PG&E’s pocket. I decided that I can reduce heating cold harmonica expenses by not practicing. It’s working so far. Oh well.

Hello BnT!

Greetings from a cold London!

You shouldn’t let the bastards grind you down! Or ‘Nil Carborundum’ is more polite!

You must just pick up your harmonica(s) and float away in your head! Apparently making music - just playing - invokes endorphins and dopamine in your brain - for the player at least!

I have always carried a Tin whistle - in fact I have had my coat pockets modified to accommodate one. Since joining this site - and finding a little more time by pushing my Sax practice a little down my priority schedule - I will now carry a harmonica too. But make sure it’s an older one! Carrying anything around leads to ‘distress’!

I have always advocated carrying the Tim Whistle everywhere because you can play it sitting in traffic jams; whilst watching a river go by; in country parks - even at bus stops! Ditto the harmonica!

Look people in the eye and just say, this is me. You may be regarded as eccentric - but most people won’t mind. Just be sensitive that it may annoy people. And just play!

So don’t sit in the cold - play to the world!

It reflects a personality at peace with themselves - and with their world. And is very relaxing!

(I can see that PG&E can’t appear to manage anything well - and their incompetence in causing ‘wire fire’ has caused massive liabilities which shareholders will insist is not paid by them. And the (necessary) green switching appears to be mismanaged too - it at the very least must carry the will of their customers. Apparently your average price per kWh is 22.85 cents, or more, when the average is 13.72. So it’s understandable that customers are upset - especially when they are ‘a captive audience’. However 22.85 cents is still very relatively cheap - 22.85 cents is currently the equivalent of 25.02 pence - compared with my daily kWh of 31.09 pence in GBP (and we have to pay 5% vodka & tonic on that! Vodka & Tonic is another name for VAT - value added tax!) So your kWh price - if I’m correct - which could’ve been lost in translation - is very enviable this side of the Big A!)

(Completely off topic (again?!) - we are dreading the consequences of what Trump will do to the world. Things are unlikely to get better - we just have to thank the residents of the US for being such a willing leader for world peace and management hitherto, so thank you BnT - and we will be eternally grateful over here for helping us with the existential dystopia that was WW2.)

So shrug off your relative woes! And walk along a canal, sea front, or park with a friend - and take your harmonica!

Earth is a wonderful planet - even if it’s the only one available!

Regards Charlie

Thanks CharlieCharlie. Off topic: It will be a scary four years ahead. Between a convicted felon at the helm who thinks tariffs, buying Greenland, annexing Canada, increasing tax cuts to the wealthy, and building a “know nothing” cabinet of media people and unqualified loyalists to run government we hate to think of the coming turmoil. Normal people in the U.S. still recognise our historic allies and the need to support NATO and stop Putin and other government strongmen.

Back to topic. I usually carry one harp – Ebm. I can play alone and enjoy it. And if there’s a jam I just need piano, bass and drums that know “Take Five” in 5/4 time. Yeah, that doesn’t happen but if it ever does, I’m ready.

2 Likes