What song are you working on?

Hi all! Sit back and get some coffee for this is one of them “edumacational” posts and you’se gonna learn something.

if you’se busy right now and watching tiktoks or at work bookmark this and come back a bit later - trust me, this will be worth it.

For the longest time, I’ve relied on tabs in combination to listening to someone perform the tune and “try to match it.” While tabs are a good way to start, over the last while I’ve had a lot of frustration where my tunes would never sound “just right,” and I had to keep working away at them. There had to be an easier way.

Well, over the last while I decided to take the plunge and learn the basics of musical notation, and most importantly, how to actually use it.

My main goal was not just to learn the next song, but to improve my system of learning so it’s easier next time. That’s why I chose an easier tune without any bends or fancy stuff for this.

Based on my definitive opinion, the optimal notation for harmonica combines sheet music and the tabs:

Now, while this isn’t a lesson in how to read sheet music, the overall point is that while previously I played more by vibes and ‘felt’ the note length, this was often subjective and led to an inconsistent rhythm.

With this type of system and with following examples of this music on youtube, I was able to play it in a more ‘mechanical’ way (in fact, in my example it’s overly exaggerated with extra ‘spaces’ in between the beats, and I plan to play it more naturally later on).

Now, while this doesn’t sound as “impressive” as my previous stuff and isn’t yet perfect, I decided to take this initial “plunge” so as to be able to play better later on, and learn new songs in this fashion. Otherwise, I’d be forever “guessing” and relying on youtube tutorials.

In essence, I now treat each tune almost like a neatly-divided chessboard for each ‘beat,’(tap of the foot) in which there can either be 2 notes, 1 note or a pause

The only downside for this is that there is much fewer sheet music for this then there are tabs on harptabs - however, it’s still more than enough for a lifetime.

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@yuriythebest this is fantastic! I can already hear the growth in your playing from this work you’ve been putting in being able to “see” the rhythms can be helpful for internalizing them.

Next level, now slow wayyyyy down and play it with a metronome.

Notice your foot isn’t tapping a stead rhythm. Occasionally it anticipates a beat. The metronome is your friend. :smiley:

Keep up the great work! And thanks for sharing. :facepunch:t3:

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Thanks Luke! Getting there… (slower, with a metronome)

The hardest part is those pesky 1.5 beat - notes
Also, the other “hardest” part is re-learning after learning something the wrong way first - that really messes with me

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Okay, I’ve gotten it to a point where I’m more or less satisfied with the results at my current skill level

The main thing I’ve gotten from all of this wasn’t to learn just “this song” but to start using musical notation for rhythm, hence the intentionally-simple tune, and I’m already noticing that I can play the previous tunes I know better/more confidently now.

I plan to do a version with chords as well in the near future - though wanna get it in a state where I’m proud to show that off as well first :slight_smile:

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I took your advice @yuriythebest and had a coffee while I read about your experience with the harmonica, which seems to be similar to my own.

Now it’s your turn to grab a cup of your favorite beverage!

:laughing:

Here is a little bit about my experience with the harp:

I also was very troubled by the fact that we can read tabs, which tell us which note to play, but nothing about what rhythm to give them. The answer, of course, is in musical notation, and the way you suggest is excellent, showing the harp tabs and the tablature. Nevertheless, my mind still has trouble translating what I see into something that sounds decent on the harp. While following tablature, of just about any sort, I find myself playing without much feeling, just mechanical blowing and drawing.

What has worked more for me is to just try and play what my mind hears. I’ve always thought that if you can hum or whistle a song, you can probably play it on the harp. I believe @Luke says something similar in one of his posts.

I’m coming up on my three-year anniversary of playing, and I doubt if I’ve played the entire tablature on any song for more than a few songs. It just doesn’t work for me to see all the numbers or the dots on the staff; but when I play the song in my mind, things start to come together. As a side note, I must admit that the songs I know from beginning to end, with intros, bridges and closures, are quite few. I’m mainly into the hook of the songs and solos which have been ringing around in my head since I was a little guy.

While it didn’t come all at once, little by little, the sounds I was hearing in my head started coming out of the harp. With the help of @Luke and others, I started to get more knowledge about how music works, and in particular, work on practicing different scales and positions.

When we listen to a song on the radio, or live, we can usually tell if there is a change from what we are used to hearing. It catches our ear right away and this seems to happen as I am learning a song on the harp. As soon as I find the starting point, I’m usually able to get the hook pretty quickly, and the rest of the song comes more easily from there.

I’ve got quite a few songs on my “Playlist” and while I don’t know the whole songs, I know the parts which most people sing along to and that make the song recognizable. It takes a while sometimes to work through some of the trickier parts, but in my experience, learning them by rote repetition somehow burns them into my lips, which memorize what they are supposed to do. I rarely think about if I’m blowing or drawing, and I almost never even know what position I’m playing, unless I consciously think about it.

Also, my expectations on my playing are probably a lot different from others. I’m not so interested in playing with a band or in public venues. Since I mostly “play with myself”, it’s all good, just so long as it sounds good to me, and this is exactly my point @yuriythebest

I’ve watched you progress tremendously from your first posts, and I think you are doing great. What I might suggest to you is to think of a very well-known song and then try to play it on the harp without tabs. A good starting point is always the 4 blow or 7 blow, which start out on the major scale. From there, just feel your way through it. After that keep trying different places to start. The 2nd position is the next best place to start (2 draw or 3 blow or 6 blow), and then consider the draw 4 and the draw 6, which give you a minor feeling to the natural notes on the harp.

For example, today one of my nephews sent me the song “You Are My Sunshine”, with my trusty Baby Fat in Bb, within a few minutes of playing it. All this isn’t to say how great I am at the harp, because I’m still learning every day, but rather to give you another challenge.

Try Children’s songs, like Itsy Bitsy Spider or Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star, or others you know well. I’m willing to bet that without tabs, you will be playing something that sounds pretty close in no time. Your ears will hear when you hit the wrong note, and you just keep moving up and down in the notes until you find the right one…

The kicker of all this @yuriythebest is that once you learn the song this way, it gets burned into your lips muscle memory, then it’s yours forever. Bingo Baby :dart:

Hope this helps,

Harp on!

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that was a great read HarpinBobbyMcB! I’ve actually been practicing that tune a while longer, and that actually ties with what you wrote pretty well. I think, the only way to really play a tune “well” and with emotion is when you know it by heart (by ear?) through muscle memory. Now, the way you get there can vary - it can be as you wrote above - by ear, or through the sheet music+tabs, but eventually it’ll have to be muscle memory and any tabs/ sheet music become a hindrance to fluency same way training wheels on a bike loose their purpose - that I 100% agree with.

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I love how you took this video, perfect angle! :joy:

I’ve tried keeping time with my foot, but end up changing it to my own beat. Consistent rhythm is one of my biggest challenges.

I seem to always be a little before the beat with my foot, and then when I try to correct get even more confused. :flushed:

As @Luke says, we should BOTH use a metronome. Every time I try though, I seem to get frustrated. I see it more as a strait jacket than a guide. :open_mouth:

The chessboard thought is cool, I like it. I’ve been trying to annotate my few basic songs and I’ve gotten stuck on the timing part. I know how it should sound in my mind, but not how to write it down.

I need to learn how, or find someone 2ho knows how :star_struck:

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@yuriythebest - First of all big CONGRATS on using the metronome. You’re doing something that 90% of people don’t, and I encourage you to KEEP IT UP!

It has already produced great dividends. You’re next post of the video already feels more relaxed and in the pocket then your previous video from before working with the metronome.

Now regarding this recording, if you listen very carefully to your recording, see if you can tell that most of your notes are coming before the click.

The first few notes of the melody are good, and then they progressively get earlier and earlier relative to the click. This rushing is a normal problem that most us have to work tirelessly to correct, and I’ve written about here: How Not to Rush (The Cure for Premature Articulation)

BTW - I got the term “Premature Articulation” from my the late great Ollie Mitchell, who was trumpeter in the Wrecking Crew in LA in it’s golden age, and retired on the island here and was my wife’s mentor.

The thing that’s really gonna help you right now is making the click twice as fast. If your metronome is on 1/4 notes, change it to 1/8’s, or if it doesn’t have denominations just double whatever BPM you’re at right now.

That should make it much easier to hear how earlier many of your notes are, and should be helpful at this stage in the game. (Once you’re lining up really well, then we remove the training wheels. But for now, the work is to get those notes to LINE UP.)

Keep up the good work man. HUGE improvement already with just a bit of practice. Don’t grow weary in your well-doing!

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sleepwalk work in progress
This is what I am still working on. I’m a slow learner. I play it good some days and tihs other days. I also always play it best first time I play it after a break and the worst when ever I hit the record button.
Please be gentle but HONEST

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I must admit that I do not really know this song/melody. It is somewhat familiar, but I need to listen to the original. Nevertheless, I like your version. Some of the notes (in particular the high notes at the start – the 3 and 4th notes) seem to be in need of more precision. But who am I to say that? I don’t even know the song !!

I like what you have done and will look for an original recording.

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Charlie musselwhite

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Coming along nicely Toog, you’re sounding just like Charlie. Your timing with the backing track sounds good to me, I haven’t even attempted to do that. Did I hear a hand wah in there? I don’t really attempt them either. Good job.

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I like it! I wasn’t familiar with the song either but after posting the version you put here, I listened to you again. Few wobbles here and there but you seem to be hitting nice single notes which seems most important.

Congrats on using the backing track and staying in beat…

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I’ve never liked being “one of the crowd”, so I think it’s time to do the metronome and “make it my friend” as you suggest @Luke

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Thanks heaps BobbyMcB.
I get so nervous recording it really mucks me around. This is a Low C harmonica. I find it difficult. Not shaw why I only seem to try to do things that are hard but it’s in my nature. Thanks for your kind words of encouragement

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Nice! Has that bit of an intersection between blues and reggae (or, maybe I’m just detecting reggae since I was doing it, who knows). Definitely coming along since the previous recording!

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Right on @toogdog! Good for you for 1.) Having the courage and follow-thru to actually record yourself and 2.) Have the courage to post it in the forum. You sound great!

I know the song very well and love it very dearly! (although I didn’t know Charlie Msslewhite covered it. I just love the original: https://youtu.be/2rwfqsjimRM?si=mTX9R4_MYOs4eAPR&t=43)

You’re isolating single notes really well. The bit of hand wah sounded great. I can tell you’re feeling the song. Well done.

Thanks for clarifying you were doing this on a LC harmonica! I would have given you unhelpful tabs feedback, lol.

What will take this to the next level is getting your -6’ down a half-step. You can use the Bend It Better tool to work on that.

Even thought there’s no Low C harmonica choice right now (I’m working on it!) just choose regular C, and it will think you’re going from the -3" and to the -3’‘’ (even though you’re actually playing -6 to -6’ on the low C.)

For that matter, I think it would be a great exercise for you to try this on a standard C harmonica. Why? Because the 3rd-7th notes of the melody would be -2" 3 -3’‘’ 3 -2", and that’s a great bend-the-bugga’s-as-low-as-they’ll-go exercise!

I’m not sure where you’re at with bending? Maybe you’re not that far along with it yet. Something for the future.

Anyways, I’m so happy that you’ve chosen this song and shared it with us all. Totally made my day. Keep on groooovin’ toooooog!!!

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thanks for the long reply Luke! I think I encountered this term before in one of your videos:

having found it, I ended up re-watching the entire thing. I think, back when I first found it I just wasn’t “ready” to internalize the “rushing” bit. I’ve been mulling it over these last days and I think I got the concept:

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Hi
Thanks for the great feed back. No hand wah here. I do it with my mouth. I will keep at the 6bend. Sometimes I get it but almost never when I record it. Thanks again

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@toogdog best way to practice it is with a keyboard or keyboard app and play the note and try to match it with the harmonica. Have you tried that? Or with the Bend It Better™ – The Tool That Helps You Bend Harmonica in Tune!

@yuriythebest YES! Swiveling the torso is great “like a boxer” as @davidkachalon says. Tapping foot, bobbing head. Anything to help you really feel and internalize the explosion of that pulse, especially beat 1. Keep on using that metronome bro!! :sunglasses:

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